{"id":4091,"date":"2019-12-28T13:42:41","date_gmt":"2019-12-28T18:42:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lexfridman.com\/?p=4091"},"modified":"2019-12-28T13:42:41","modified_gmt":"2019-12-28T18:42:41","slug":"melanie-mitchell","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lexfridman.com\/melanie-mitchell\/","title":{"rendered":"Melanie Mitchell: Concepts, Analogies, Common Sense &#038; Future of AI"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7424\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-4091-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/content.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/lex_ai_melanie_mitchell.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/content.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/lex_ai_melanie_mitchell.mp3\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/content.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/lex_ai_melanie_mitchell.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/content.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/lex_ai_melanie_mitchell.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/lexfridman.com\/?powerpress_pinw=4091-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/content.blubrry.com\/takeituneasy\/lex_ai_melanie_mitchell.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"lex_ai_melanie_mitchell.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p>Melanie Mitchell is a professor of computer science at Portland State University and an external professor at Santa Fe Institute. She has worked on and written about artificial intelligence from fascinating perspectives including adaptive complex systems, genetic algorithms, and the Copycat cognitive architecture which places the process of analogy making at the core of human cognition. From her doctoral work with her advisors Douglas Hofstadter and John Holland to today, she has contributed a lot of important ideas to the field of AI, including her recent book, simply called Artificial Intelligence: A Guide for Thinking Humans.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This conversation is part of the Artificial Intelligence podcast.<\/span>&nbsp;If you would like to get more information about this podcast go to <a href=\"https:\/\/lexfridman.com\/ai\">https:\/\/lexfridman.com\/ai<\/a> or connect with @lexfridman on <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/lexfridman\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/lexfridman\/\">LinkedIn<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/lexfridman\">Facebook<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@lexfridman\">Medium<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/lexfridman\">YouTube<\/a> where you can watch the video versions of these conversations. If you enjoy the podcast, please rate it 5 stars on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/artificial-intelligence\/id1434243584\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, follow on <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL\">Spotify<\/a>, or support it on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/lexfridman\">Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>This episode is presented by Cash App. Download it (<a href=\"https:\/\/apps.apple.com\/us\/app\/cash-app\/id711923939\">App Store<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/store\/apps\/details?id=com.squareup.cash&amp;hl=en_US\">Google Play<\/a>), use code &#8220;LexPodcast&#8221;.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Episode Links:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2Q80LbP\">AI: A Guide for Thinking Humans (book)<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the outline of the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.<\/p>\n<p>00:00 &#8211; Introduction<br \/>\n02:33 &#8211; The term &#8220;artificial intelligence&#8221;<br \/>\n06:30 &#8211; Line between weak and strong AI<br \/>\n12:46 &#8211; Why have people dreamed of creating AI?<br \/>\n15:24 &#8211; Complex systems and intelligence<br \/>\n18:38 &#8211; Why are we bad at predicting the future with regard to AI?<br \/>\n22:05 &#8211; Are fundamental breakthroughs in AI needed?<br \/>\n25:13 &#8211; Different AI communities<br \/>\n31:28 &#8211; Copycat cognitive architecture<br \/>\n36:51 &#8211; Concepts and analogies<br \/>\n55:33 &#8211; Deep learning and the formation of concepts<br \/>\n1:09:07 &#8211; Autonomous vehicles<br \/>\n1:20:21 &#8211; Embodied AI and emotion<br \/>\n1:25:01 &#8211; Fear of superintelligent AI<br \/>\n1:36:14 &#8211; Good test for intelligence<br \/>\n1:38:09 &#8211; What is complexity?<br \/>\n1:43:09 &#8211; Santa Fe Institute<br \/>\n1:47:34 &#8211; Douglas Hofstadter<br \/>\n1:49:42 &#8211; Proudest moment<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Melanie Mitchell is a professor of computer science at Portland State University and an external professor at Santa Fe Institute. 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