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From bilerico.com --


As the holidays approach, the Salvation Army bell ringers are out in front of stores dunning shoppers for donations. If you care about gay rights, you'll skip their bucket in favor of a charity that doesn't actively discriminate against the LGBT community.

The Salvation Army has a history of active discrimination against gays and lesbians. While you might think you're helping the hungry and homeless by dropping a few dollars in the bright red buckets, not everyone can share in the donations. Many LGBT people are rejected by the evangelical church charity because they're "sexually impure."



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Date: 2012-11-17 01:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fallconsmate
normally, i dont give to bell ringers, but i had long been in the habit of shopping at the salvation army stores. why?

i had a second cousin (my dad's cousin) who was an alcoholic. the salvation army gave him a place to stay, got him through over a year of sobriety and helped him find a job that wasnt roughneck work, since he couldnt do that any longer. (he had roughnecked all his adult life, till a chain wrapped around drilling pipe took his right thumb completely OFF. he was able to have a rebuild from bone grafted from his pelvic bone, and so had use of the hand again, but he no longer had dexterity like he did, which contributed to his depression and drinking.)

so yeah. i know they do SOME good. but they also have a long history of assholery, and once i found out about *that*, i stopped shopping there...which sucked because it puts them with less money for the people they DO help, you know? there are NO winners in that situation at all. on the other hand, the fucking bell ringing gives me a goddamned headache if i'm lucky and it doesnt trigger a migraine. *eyeroll*

Date: 2012-11-18 02:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fallconsmate
yes. the DAV, goodwill, st vincent de paul stores, and of course there are many whose donations and shops help battered women, abandoned animals, or programs like the shriners hospitals for children.

hell, i'll even go to church run shops because i know they help people even if i'm not of their particular religious bent. :)

Date: 2012-11-17 12:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gwendraith
That's not entirely true. I believe that here in the UK they don't accept practising LGBT people into their membership but oppose any discrimination against them and do offer all the usual help by the way of a bed, food, friendship etc. They do accept gays into their membership who abide by the principle that sexual intimacy is only acceptable within marriage. So, not all bad and like all things religious from accepting women as priests to marriage between people of the same sex they are moving slowly but moving. I prefer them to other religious organisations as they will offer help to anyone regards of race, religion or sexual preference so I would drop a £ into their bucket as they do a lot of good :)

Date: 2012-11-17 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gwendraith
I agree it's wrong to have any stipulations for just one section of the public. I'm hoping they continue to move forward into the 21st century, not just the S A but all religions.

Date: 2012-11-18 12:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gwendraith
LOL. It is true that religion isn't such a big thing here in the UK although some European countries are more religious, particularly the catholic ones, but religion doesn't really get mixed in with politics anywhere. Some people go to church here but the vast majority don't and most people just don't mention their religion.

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